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LeRoy_Leo Project manager Class S Minstrel

Joined: 24 Sep 2003 Posts: 2683 Location: The dead-center of your brain!
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Minnek told me last night that this was going to happen. I didn't think it was going to be so soon, but he also told me that IM already had replacements in mind. That is my insight into this, even though it's barely any of my business. I'll let the professionals take over from here.
PS: I am as concerned as all of you rightly are. _________________ Planning Project Blood Summons, an MMORPG which will incinerate all of the others with it's sheer brilliance...
---msw188 ---
"Seriously James, you keep rolling out the awesome like gingerbread men on a horror-movie assembly line. " |
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planethunter Lost In Emotion

Joined: 07 Jul 2003 Posts: 258 Location: Éire
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | I hope all of you realize that this is only going to lead to more and more bans from IM, |
I very much doubt that, considering the issues IM is confronting span over a year before he decided to take action. On the contrary, the number of bans imposed by you vastly outwiegh IM's. Even something as meek as a temporary ban, hardly makes newer members feel welcome to the community. Subsequently, I agree with IM on this issue fully. _________________ ~PH
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JSH357

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1705
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: |
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I support CN on the grounds that OHR authors should be in control of the site. That's a brief argument, yes, but it's the only way I know how to put it. |
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J'sang'spar 1,000,008% PURE

Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 15 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Okay, so Fyre isn't actually an IRC op. You're off my stupid list, IM.
Frankly, I don't see as though most of you could care less - CN I can understand being distressed, but everyone else seems to be thinking 'oh no someone is not going to let me be a dink on the server he runs!!! ;o;'. As I've said thousands of times before in reference to things CN himself did: shut up and deal or leave. IM's done what he's done; what are you going to do about it? _________________ "I don't question why I'm here, but I try to think what I can do."
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Fenrir-Lunaris WUT

Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Most of CN's bans have been justified. I'll explain why:
Everyone who's been banned or ostracised at some point has generally done something to deserve it. Otherwise, Knoodle would still be here. It may be true that some bans/disciplinary actions have been taken without consulting the other admins... but if we have a repeat offender who keeps coming back to harrass our members, it's pretty much been the precedent amoung the admins to assume that repeat offenders and outright trolls be given no quarter. If memory serves, this has been the case every time.
The majority of the community does not know this, but realistically most of the present admins didn't even give a damn when Fyre was last banned. The only ones who really chipped in their two cents were CN, IM, Squall, setu, and myself, and I'm not an Admin. If memory serves, no other admin or Mod really took the time to debate the issue, then pass their judgement as they should have. We're talking no more than a yes or no answer here, and some wouldn't even do that. Do you really want to wait on a council of do-nothings to decide on some critical issues that crop up? What if the server breaks? what if we're sued over something? What if there's an actual crime committed by one of our members? Who will pay for the continuation of this site's existance? These are important questions that we have entrusted our admins to decide for us. Inferior Minion and Chaos Nyte are pretty capable guys, who 99% of the time seem to know what they're doing. If CN is removed from the equation, I'd like to know who the hell is going to be running the show in his place. Removing CN from his duties without even notifying the other admins ahead of time seems more than a little sudden. It's disturbing.
What makes this more distressing is that these two people used to be best friends. I want you to sit on that and think about it for a while.
You also need to remember that not all newcomers to the community are created equal. Some are a little rough around the edges, while others integrate seemlessly like Bena, AdrianX, and RMZ. 99% of all our new members don't get banned because they're at least mature enough to handle the internet and are pretty much welcome, but that 1% sticks out like a sore thumb and are obviously more noticable. You're right, it is discouraging for a newcomer to see another person get banned, especially when they don't know the whole story - but it's worth it if that personwho got kicked made it their purpose to completely ruin everyone else's fun. If you don't remember or weren't around at the time, go readup on a few of the last threads in CP's General Discussion archives and you'll see what I'm talking about.
LeRoy_Leo wrote: | I didn't think it was going to be so soon, but he also told me that IM already had replacements in mind. |
Now what would be ironic is if he had Moogle1 and myself in that list. That would be funny if nothing else. |
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Velduanga I heard there were bagels here...

Joined: 25 Jul 2003 Posts: 112 Location: A town away from White Owl, I kid you not, unless he moved.
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Not that anything I say would make a matter of difference to someone here, but here goes:
This is all well and silly. I don't believe anyone is making anyone stay here, holding a gun up to your head and making you reply to anything. What I don't understand is how some people here seem to infer ideals that conflict and how no one really looks at both ends of an argument
Zombie Hunter Green wrote: | I can't say I agree with any of this horseshit.
Attempts to force the behavior of a "community" site indicates that that Inferior minion does not understand how a community actually operates. |
I don't exactly know what compelled him to say this, but I would to think a place that doesn't operate in some etiquette I'm sure anyone can disregard as a "community". If you're not here to be helpful, then I don't suggest you waste your time here. If you're here to waste time, then don't complain when someone here gets intolerant of it. This is pathetic, that it's come to it that we're even here arguing about how this is a community or not, who's running what, or who's to blame. I came here thinking this was going to be better than Zantetsuken, and only to be proven wrong is a huge blow to the ego. Be mature. Or not. Help people or blow them off, it's up to everyone. I just hate to think that civility has to become a prerequisite, when if you haven't attained it, CP is the least of your problems. _________________ If you hit a plane with the soccer, could you afford to fix it? - Shaolin Soccer
"If it's worth shooting, it's worth shooting twice"-Tom Clancy
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Moogle1 Scourge of the Seas Halloween 2006 Creativity Winner


Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 3377 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Fenrir-Lunaris wrote: | LeRoy_Leo wrote: | I didn't think it was going to be so soon, but he also told me that IM already had replacements in mind. |
Now what would be ironic is if he had Moogle1 and myself in that list. That would be funny if nothing else. |
I'd laugh. Of course, I don't know anything about admin replacements.
On the bright side, this is certainly the most... exciting thing to happen at CP in months. _________________
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Fenrir-Lunaris WUT

Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Well... that is certainly putting a positive spin on things, which I suppose is needed at this point.
It's that Damn Thanksgiving Quest! Hitler's taken over OHR Land, and we're all being psycho nazis. |
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The Wobbler

Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 2221
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Chaos Nyte Reviewer


Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:02 am Post subject: |
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I've noticed that a lot of the people who agree with IM agree based on new comers getting banned for their irrational actions. If this was the only issue, then IM could have very easily started a motion on the Admin forums to have a non-banning period for new people, or even to have Uncy and my powers to ban people removed. Heck, I can think of a dozen solutions that don't involve Inferior Minion suddenly becoming the sole person in real power on the website. Special forums for new comers, special rules regarding their treatment, someone on staff to help them along, the list goes on and on. But for some reason he chose the solution that effectively gives him all the power to decide what and who can stay or go.
I mean, seriously guys. Is it really okay with you that someone who is calling for civility and a friendly open community start off by effectively taking over the website and decreeing martial moral law with only vague guidelines? There are plenty of solutions that are better then one IM picked, which is why we NEED a council of people in charge, so people can't make such huge choices so rashly . |
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Uncommon His legend will never die

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 2503
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:02 am Post subject: |
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I still can't stand the irony of the fact that he never brought this before the other admins. It's Animal Farm all over again, and Napolean just ran off Snowball. |
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jabbercat Composer

Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Posts: 823 Location: Oxford
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:32 am Post subject: |
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He did. _________________ Moogle no longer owes prizes. |
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Chaos Nyte Reviewer


Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:35 am Post subject: |
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"He did"? Are we supposed to understand what that encompasses? He did what? Are we evening talking about IM? |
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jabbercat Composer

Joined: 04 Sep 2003 Posts: 823 Location: Oxford
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:38 am Post subject: |
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It was in response to Uncommon's comment. Don't think IM didn't think this through or discuss it, because, he did. _________________ Moogle no longer owes prizes. |
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Chaos Nyte Reviewer


Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:40 am Post subject: |
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I'm not arguing IM didn't think about what he felt was a lack of civility but who did he discuss it with? Certainly not everyone he should have. |
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