Castle Paradox

LeRoy_Leo · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:05 am Post subject:

Minnek told me last night that this was going to happen. I didn't think it was going to be so soon, but he also told me that IM already had replacements in mind. That is my insight into this, even though it's barely any of my business. I'll let the professionals take over from here.

PS: I am as concerned as all of you rightly are.
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planethunter · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:17 am Post subject:

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I support CN on the grounds that OHR authors should be in control of the site. That's a brief argument, yes, but it's the only way I know how to put it.

J'sang'spar · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:28 am Post subject:

Okay, so Fyre isn't actually an IRC op. You're off my stupid list, IM.

Frankly, I don't see as though most of you could care less - CN I can understand being distressed, but everyone else seems to be thinking 'oh no someone is not going to let me be a dink on the server he runs!!! ;o;'. As I've said thousands of times before in reference to things CN himself did: shut up and deal or leave. IM's done what he's done; what are you going to do about it?
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Fenrir-Lunaris · **WUT** Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747

Most of CN's bans have been justified. I'll explain why:

Everyone who's been banned or ostracised at some point has generally done something to deserve it. Otherwise, Knoodle would still be here. It may be true that some bans/disciplinary actions have been taken without consulting the other admins... but if we have a repeat offender who keeps coming back to harrass our members, it's pretty much been the precedent amoung the admins to assume that repeat offenders and outright trolls be given no quarter. If memory serves, this has been the case every time.

The majority of the community does not know this, but realistically most of the present admins didn't even give a damn when Fyre was last banned. The only ones who really chipped in their two cents were CN, IM, Squall, setu, and myself, and I'm not an Admin. If memory serves, no other admin or Mod really took the time to debate the issue, then pass their judgement as they should have. We're talking no more than a yes or no answer here, and some wouldn't even do that. Do you really want to wait on a council of do-nothings to decide on some critical issues that crop up? What if the server breaks? what if we're sued over something? What if there's an actual crime committed by one of our members? Who will pay for the continuation of this site's existance? These are important questions that we have entrusted our admins to decide for us. Inferior Minion and Chaos Nyte are pretty capable guys, who 99% of the time seem to know what they're doing. If CN is removed from the equation, I'd like to know who the hell is going to be running the show in his place. Removing CN from his duties without even notifying the other admins ahead of time seems more than a little sudden. It's disturbing.

What makes this more distressing is that these two people used to be best friends. I want you to sit on that and think about it for a while.

You also need to remember that not all newcomers to the community are created equal. Some are a little rough around the edges, while others integrate seemlessly like Bena, AdrianX, and RMZ. 99% of all our new members don't get banned because they're at least mature enough to handle the internet and are pretty much welcome, but that 1% sticks out like a sore thumb and are obviously more noticable. You're right, it is discouraging for a newcomer to see another person get banned, especially when they don't know the whole story - but it's worth it if that personwho got kicked made it their purpose to completely ruin everyone else's fun. If you don't remember or weren't around at the time, go readup on a few of the last threads in CP's General Discussion archives and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Velduanga · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:27 am Post subject:

Not that anything I say would make a matter of difference to someone here, but here goes:

This is all well and silly. I don't believe anyone is making anyone stay here, holding a gun up to your head and making you reply to anything. What I don't understand is how some people here seem to infer ideals that conflict and how no one really looks at both ends of an argument

Moogle1 · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:37 am Post subject:

Fenrir-Lunaris · **WUT** Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747

Well... that is certainly putting a positive spin on things, which I suppose is needed at this point.

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Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

I've noticed that a lot of the people who agree with IM agree based on new comers getting banned for their irrational actions. If this was the only issue, then IM could have very easily started a motion on the Admin forums to have a non-banning period for new people, or even to have Uncy and my powers to ban people removed. Heck, I can think of a dozen solutions that don't involve Inferior Minion suddenly becoming the sole person in real power on the website. Special forums for new comers, special rules regarding their treatment, someone on staff to help them along, the list goes on and on. But for some reason he chose the solution that effectively gives him all the power to decide what and who can stay or go.

I mean, seriously guys. Is it really okay with you that someone who is calling for civility and a friendly open community start off by effectively taking over the website and decreeing martial moral law with only vague guidelines? There are plenty of solutions that are better then one IM picked, which is why we NEED a council of people in charge, so people can't make such huge choices so rashly .

Uncommon · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:02 am Post subject:

I still can't stand the irony of the fact that he never brought this before the other admins. It's Animal Farm all over again, and Napolean just ran off Snowball.

jabbercat · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:32 am Post subject:

He did.
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Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

"He did"? Are we supposed to understand what that encompasses? He did what? Are we evening talking about IM?

jabbercat · Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:38 am Post subject:

It was in response to Uncommon's comment. Don't think IM didn't think this through or discuss it, because, he did.
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Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

I'm not arguing IM didn't think about what he felt was a lack of civility but who did he discuss it with? Certainly not everyone he should have.