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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if you have the capability to do this with whatever program you are using, but when I'm trying to fix up a particular instrument that is playing fast things, I sometimes cut the song to half tempo and put the other instruments' volumes down. Then sometimes play the harp solo along with just one other instrument at a time, and see if anything pops up. It can help you find a sour note in the harp's part, or may reveal some trouble from a different source. Just a suggestion to help iron out the part.

Not sure what to say about that drum part. It definitely felt too fast to be believable for a human (a drum roll is usually more 'washy', aah, I can't think of a word for it - a roll usually should not sound like a punk drummer playing a technically perfect fill - okay, I'm not making any more sense...). Then again, do you want the song to sound like its being played by a human orchestra? To me its more of a taste thing and I think you should just leave the drum part however you want it. For me, I really dislike electronic drum patches (you'll notice I never bothered adding any to the Tales music), but its just personal taste.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

msw188 wrote:
I don't know if you have the capability to do this with whatever program you are using, but when I'm trying to fix up a particular instrument that is playing fast things, I sometimes cut the song to half tempo and put the other instruments' volumes down. Then sometimes play the harp solo along with just one other instrument at a time, and see if anything pops up. It can help you find a sour note in the harp's part, or may reveal some trouble from a different source. Just a suggestion to help iron out the part.

Not sure what to say about that drum part. It definitely felt too fast to be believable for a human (a drum roll is usually more 'washy', aah, I can't think of a word for it - a roll usually should not sound like a punk drummer playing a technically perfect fill - okay, I'm not making any more sense...). Then again, do you want the song to sound like its being played by a human orchestra? To me its more of a taste thing and I think you should just leave the drum part however you want it. For me, I really dislike electronic drum patches (you'll notice I never bothered adding any to the Tales music), but its just personal taste.


Yeah, I use the unregistered Noteworthy Composer. It's been a pretty good tool to use.

Here is the seventh, and hopefully, final version of the song. I think I have the harp section just about right. I also added an octave to towards the end of the brass section. Don't know if I will stick with it or not though. I might work on it a bit more, but overall I am pleased with the total outcome. Criticism and suggestions are still more than welcome Happy

http://makersofcornbreadjuice.com/battlefinal.mid

EDIT: Do you guys think I should lower the volume of all parts by a tad? It seems really loud in-game.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only part my ears catch on is the quick note change on the beginning strings. I know it's an inherent midi thing, but maybe you could find a way to smooth that out.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you be more specific if possible? I'm not quite sure what you are referring to Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the track using String Ensemble 1, second measure or so, and a three note progression downward; eighth note, eighth note, whole note. It repeats itself soon after, but something in the very beginning makes it really stand out. It sounds fine the rest of the song.

edit: sorry, quarter note, quarter note, whole note.*
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listening to it after you mentioned it made it stand out to me as well. I added a slur in the second measure, which seems to have made it much more tolerable Raspberry!
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