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J.A.R.S.
In umbram deo, ex nihilo...
Joined: 11 May 2005
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| At least I AM trying to stay on topic. You show no concern what the topic is whatsoever. Keep your own frustrations to yourself. The topic is nethack, go make use of your right hand... 'cause it has obviously nothing better to do than reply with pointless posts. |
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Newbie_Power
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think moderators care much about straying off-topic here. Usually a topic has a very good chance of getting back on-topic if someone who hasn't followed the thread much has something to say about some of the earlier debates in question.
I know one forum I frequent whose topics get locked frequently because the topic always strays towards something completely different. It's something that can't be helped, and moderators there have to urge people to get back on-topic. |
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Jack
the fool
Joined: 30 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not quite sure why a person who has no imagination, or a very empty one (at most), can possibly have a discussion on text games.
But I think the next time you have a debate on something, you should really consider which side it is you believe in before you actually start it. Because then the whole discussion becomes stupid, and pointless; and is trolling.
Also, please, keep your sexual comments to yourself. That's horribly sad.
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J.A.R.S.
In umbram deo, ex nihilo...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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and yet, the man with no imagination has received awards for writing a book, and worked on several games' plotlines as well... WOW. I guess this MUST've been all just ripped off someone else, there is NO WAY someone like me COULD have any form of imagination right? Just because I said a book doesn't trigger an adrenalin rush doesn't mean that I can't appreciate them, in fact, I've worked 3 full years on a single book. I'm writing a story, but I'm not trying to give the reader an adrenalin rush because I think this can't be done (sure, point to me a book to prove me wrong, and I'll read it, and I'll do my mea culpa, but until then...) yet text has a lot that images can't do too! Poetry for once. A simple line such as
"eyes like oceans"
is very cliche and all. But try to draw that. The second you captured it into a drawing, people will complain because that is not what they saw when they read it. 3 words: infinite possibilities in one's brain. That's the strength of words over images I believe. Action, on the other hand, is best captured by images.
And I'll keep my sad comments to myself, but he just angered me, I hate it when someone who didn't contribute to a conversation simply enters and feels free to just add nothing but insults. If you are gonna insult me, at least bring something to the conversation. |
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The Wobbler
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Newbie_Power
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | and yet, the man with no imagination has received awards for writing a book, and worked on several games' plotlines as well... WOW. I guess this MUST've been all just ripped off someone else, there is NO WAY someone like me COULD have any form of imagination right? Just because I said a book doesn't trigger an adrenalin rush doesn't mean that I can't appreciate them, in fact, I've worked 3 full years on a single book. I'm writing a story, but I'm not trying to give the reader an adrenalin rush because I think this can't be done (sure, point to me a book to prove me wrong, and I'll read it, and I'll do my mea culpa, but until then...) yet text has a lot that images can't do too! Poetry for once. A simple line such as
"eyes like oceans"
is very cliche and all. But try to draw that. The second you captured it into a drawing, people will complain because that is not what they saw when they read it. 3 words: infinite possibilities in one's brain. That's the strength of words over images I believe. Action, on the other hand, is best captured by images.
And I'll keep my sad comments to myself, but he just angered me, I hate it when someone who didn't contribute to a conversation simply enters and feels free to just add nothing but insults. If you are gonna insult me, at least bring something to the conversation. |
It's stuff like this that has absolutely nothing to do with Nethack, yet the original topic is about Nethack, so obviously one of us is off-topic, and it is probably me.
You are the worst debater I have ever seen. I have seen nothing but self-contradiction in sad attempts to outsmart us bookworm n00bs in literature techniques and creativity. If you have accomplishments, don't use your accomplishments to arrogantly throw away every bit of credibility you have. |
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J.A.R.S.
In umbram deo, ex nihilo...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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PHC:
| Quote: | | Posting paragraphs of shit you don't believe just to annoy strangers on the internet doesn't contribute to anything, it just makes you look stupid. |
Actually that's what Socrates did you know, and it sort of worked. The point is not what you believe, just argue against the other person because people are rarely 100% objectively right (if its even possible) and you'll end up bringing up oppositions. What if these oppositions are wrong? Well you had the other person bring up the RIGHT things. Why would you? Because well, if you can't see what the use is for, then you don't have much of an interest for discussion or knowledge... I guess I had overrated your maturity/intelligence previously, I shall not make the same mistake again.
| Quote: | | You are the worst debater I have ever seen. I have seen nothing but self-contradiction in sad attempts to outsmart us bookworm n00bs in literature techniques and creativity. If you have accomplishments, don't use your accomplishments to arrogantly throw away every bit of credibility you have. |
I wasn't trying to have any credibility, I just hate it when people say things that are obviously wrong. Saying to someone he has NO CREATIVITY is just impossible, it is like a kiddy insult you'd say to someone who has a brain and say "you don't even have a brain". I mean, c'mon, its not even a decent insult. If you're to insult someone, say something TRUE. I will not stand to be told I have no creativity when I just know I have some. I'm no god. I'm not even a good writer either. I just won an award, everybody won awards in their lives, that's just the process of it, you always get to be the best of a group in a certain something at a certain moment. This didn't mean I was thinking high of myself, I was just merely pointing the fact PHC's insult was lame and obviously wrong. I won't even get into the analysis of the human brain and how creativity is nearly impossible not to achieve unless severly brain damaged.
And as far as being a bad debater comes in, do keep in mind that always bringing up oppositions is not made in a personnal name, its merely made as bringing up oppositions. There is no coherence because oppositions come from different individual who believe different things. You see a debate like one winning over the other. I see a debate as a conversation with a conclusion. Rarely does this conclusion says "100% right A, 0% right B" so bringing more oppositions in the lot just builds a stronger answer by the end.
I've already lost enough time on this thread, I'll go back to actual production, which I suggest you should do Newbie, according to your registration date and current submissions, you're not a big contribution to this community and could benefit from less flaming in the forums and more focus on the engine. But hey, that's just my 2 cents.
Also, PHC and Noob, don't bother replying with more insults or pointless talk, I won't bother reading this thread any longer.
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Jack
the fool
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, but saying someone is wrong in the head because they got excited from an action book, and then turning around and saying that it is possible to be excited by such a book is, well, pretty fucking terrible.
please, do stop trolling
EDIT: | Quote: | Actually that's what Socrates did you know, and it sort of worked. The point is not what you believe, just argue against the other person because people are rarely 100% objectively right (if its even possible) and you'll end up bringing up oppositions. What if these oppositions are wrong? Well you had the other person bring up the RIGHT things. Why would you? Because well, if you can't see what the use is for, then you don't have much of an interest for discussion or knowledge... I guess I had overrated your maturity/intelligence previously, I shall not make the same mistake again.
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No, this doesn't make you top shit. It makes you a complete asshole. Also; the word's 'sort of worked' does not give much credibility to anything.
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| Quote: | | I've already lost enough time on this thread, I'll go back to actual production, which I suggest you should do Newbie, according to your registration date and current submissions, you're not a big contribution to this community and could benefit from less flaming in the forums and more focus on the engine. But hey, that's just my 2 cents. |
The minority of what Newbie_Power has posted here, is better than the majority of what half the community has posted; including yourself.
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The Wobbler
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Me
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Joined: 30 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| A container for pickles wrote: | | And unlike you, I was coding back in the days where text games were the only viable option (the initial basic with f****** line numbers...) |
J.A.R.S. cookie count++. Congratulations.
And if you don't think a book can give you an adrenaline rush, read Into Thin Air. Or Battle Royale.
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Iblis
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Joined: 26 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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The only time someone would play devil's advocate is when an argument has already been going on and they want to add to it in some way. Look back to the beginning of the thread, JARS was the one that brought up the "why should I play a text game?" issue. For him to just suddenly decide "hey, I'll just say things I don't believe for no reason" would make absolutely no sense. Sure, maybe his brain is just broken and he really does think this way, but the much more probable explanation is that it was an excuse. He didn't want to keep arguing because he was losing.
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