Castle Paradox

Fenrir-Lunaris · **WUT** Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747

I have discussed the possibility of using OHRadius as our example for the Shooter game and scripting, provided that the script was fully documented and explained what values could be changed easily. All that's left really is to fix enemy collision detection, and tweek a few things around to make sure it runs smoothly. I'll post the script as is for the upgraded version in the OHRadius discussion thread (in the OHR General discussion forum), which is where future planning for it will go. Hopefully it'll only be a month or two and it'll be released.

I second AdrianX's self nomination to do the sidescroller graphics. If possible, we'll see an OHRockman game sooner than later. If the OHR can pull off an OHR rockman-style game, that'd be the perfect template for a sidescroller.

Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

You'll have to forgive the briefness of this reply, but I am very tired.

The plan is simple enough. Every volunteer has wanted a particular type of game over the other choices. Tomorrow, I will begin private messaging all of you with the outlines for the tutorial project you have expressed the most interestin , who will be working on what for the project, and any deadlines. In addition, a user group will be created so we can cordinate our efforts.

So I'd suggest that any of you who haven't yet expressed interest in one of the 4 tutorial projects speak up now. This is all really exciting, isn't it? ^_^

MultiColoredWizard · Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:06 pm Post subject:

It's easily possible, Fenrir. Anyone who's seen Demon Castle Dracula's engine will know how slow it DOESN'T go.
I'd honestly like to see a sidescrolling RPG, like in the recent Castlevania games.
Sidescrollers.. I guess if Worthy's okay with it, then he could show it off... but eh..
PS: I could do graphics and scripting if needed. I like the zelda style game much.

*Worthy* · **Critical Thinker** Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Posts: 186

I would be happy to help with whatever programming you may need. I'm not quite sure what kind of assistance you desire, but I can program, give advice, explain scripts, offer tips on how to eliminate any lag, and other stuff. Please let me know what you want (preferrably via PM/AIM since I do not check these message boards often). My AIM name is Worthy10188. The last five characters in my name are all numbers.

Thanks,

~Worthy
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TMC · Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:20 am Post subject:

I said this on IRC but not here, I will help with scripting. But I don't want to make these games full time, I want to finish and never come back to several of the projects I am bogged down with.

When this thread first started, I was concerned with the amount of people offering to do graphics... if you present people with a game with ready made unique gameplay and stunning graphics and tell them that they can learn and use it, you're going to get alot of games out there where the author has simply taken the file and added in textboxs and their own hero sprite. Ah well...

I think that it would be best if we plan the engine together, then one or two people set about writing it, and everyone reads it over to suggest changes/improvements when it is finished, as well as watching it while it is in developement (allow all the members of the group to view a fairly recent version of the script at all times by regularly uploading it somewhere)

CN: I think that there are several more game types to be considered, eg
5. RPG (Just a general RPG-style battle engine)

plus smaller engines to do a specific task, eg. A pixel based walking engine (though obviously, this will be included in the zelda-style game)

Personally, I would like to see a zelda style game be worked on first because it is probably the most minor of them all, allowing the group to start to work together. Also, I have never seen a single pixel based walker for the OHR, making it more unique than a side scroller, for example.
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Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

Alright everyone, teams for each tutorial game, and the basics of what is needed for each are detailed in the User Group "Tutorial Alliance" which everyone who has volunteered to actively helped has been added. Check it out. (http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=29) And if anyone like Setu or Aeth decides that can devote some time to this endeavor just PM me and I"ll add you. ^_^

TMC-
Nobody is going to be working on these tutorials "full time". Don't worry about it. And if some idiot decides to take the tutorial engine and make a really terrible game, well that sucks. But there are enough really great OHRers interested in these tutorials that the good games would make it worthwhile. Besides, you can easily tell when someone makes a bad game, no one is forcing you to download it. The method you suggest of a committee is novel but would take far too long. Right now, all the teams for each tutorial project will be self-contained, although all members will be free to comment on others work if they wish, obviously.

"CN: I think that there are several more game types to be considered, eg 5. RPG (Just a general RPG-style battle engine) "

The idea behind the tutorial games is to make an engine that is GENERAL to the gameplay type. You tell me "just a general RPG-Style battle engine" but I know that everyone is thinking of what general entails. If after the main four engine types have been created, you want to make more, by all means, go for it, but the four mentioned earlier in this thread are by far the most wanted. Besides, any more gamplay engine tutorials added at this point and we simply wouldn't have enough people to create it.

TMC · Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject:

I don't know where you got the idea that I could help anyone with graphics CN...

Well, as for the 'General' RPG engine, I meant a sort of library of scripts with a rough stucture and some sample makeups provided to make a large variety of RPG-style battles. I suggested this because I happened to have worked on such a thing a while back, I still have the scripts but its not very complete.
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Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

The sentence was awkwardly worded. I meant that Drizzle was excellent at graphics and you could help at plotscripting. It's been altered for clarity.

As for the general RPG tutorial, once again, "Besides, any more gamplay engine tutorials added at this point and we simply wouldn't have enough people to create it." Really, you've got good ideas, but we need to focus on the four main tutorial games right now.

TMC · Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:05 pm Post subject:

Ok, I see your point. But since I'm not in any team and I happen to have this half finished, I may just work on it myself.
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Uncommon · Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject:

Yeah, MC, I've been thinking about doing something similar with my system.

TMC · Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:05 pm Post subject:

Well, I suppose that I note down a couple of shortcuts from reading yours through, I don't think that basing any system off yours would be a very good idea.
With so much long code, it's not very customisable, and certain scripts, like the hp display ones, are probably over 10 times the length they need to be- a couple of 'for' loops will fix that.

If I even do it.
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Uncommon · Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:36 pm Post subject:

Well, yes, I understand that I need to optimize a few scripts, but I never thought about a for loop for the HP display... I'll have to look into that.

But, yes, in this stripped-down version, I'd definitely take steps to make it more customisable.

TMC · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:27 am Post subject:

This is really the wrong place for this, but:

Well, not 'for' loops so much, but mainly use of math functions.

If you know what frame you want, 8 frames to a walkabout, than that frame has values:

walkabout number := frame number / 8
frame := frame number, mod, 2
direction := (frame number / 2), mod, 4

Also, by reading your global definitions, given a hero (0-2), a digit (0-2), and a stat type (0=current, 1=maximum) the GV where this value is stored in is:

GV id := 13 + hero id * 14 + stat type * 3 + digit

I can figure out the frame number of a digit by

frame number := digit * 10 + digit value
if (digit value == 0) then (increment (frame number, 9)) else (decrement (frame number))

You seem to have the frames in an odd order, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0 , so I had to add that increment/decrement bit. (Hmm.. I'm lazy so I would have used put npc instead of graphically offsetting each walkabout frame.)

Finally, all the scripts in hpdisplay.hsi except the first script share most of their code, except with different globals, so it can all be combined.

The final product:

defines:

Flamer · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:52 am Post subject:

heh, that's what you were on about in IRC...
i'm gonna take a few minutes and see how this script works.
the script i have works fine for me, even though it's not completely customisable. i'm happy with it until otherwise.
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Uncommon · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:55 pm Post subject:

Well, I certainly hadn't thought about it that way... When I was thinking "for loop" I was thinking about cutting the scripts down from 6 to 1, since, like you said, most of the actual code in the 6 scripts is the same, but I hadn't thought about the way it related like that...

Also, the reason they were seperate graphics instead of a pixel offset is because, at the time, I wasn't too familiar with pixel-based movement, and I just hadn't thought about doing it that way...

I'll take a more in-depth look at the script later, but I'll certainly give it a try.