Castle Paradox

Gizmog1 · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:11 am Post subject:

Hatzi, get the fuck off of this forum and NEVER post here again, or I swear to God I'm going to kill you. A great game is great because it is FUN to PLAY. Not because it took you 10 years to make it, not because you even had to try hard to make it, but because somehow, the sum of it's parts make it fun to play. Not good graphics! Not good music! Not even a god damn story or a neat battle system make a game great, unless it's got the fun to back it up.

And cut that "Moogle who we all love, maybe you were sarcastic" crap, it sounds like you're ODed on happy pills.

Freedom Fighter, I might help you, but I'm not about to go into any project without knowing what I'm getting myself into. If you want examples of my graphics, and don't mind that I have the worlds worst sense of humor, you might try Halloween No Ingles as an example of what I can do. Mind you, even if you like that, I want to hear the idea for this game before I commit to anything.

We're just trying to tell you, you don't get anyone to sign up for a project marching in here, and saying you want somebody to do all your graphics, and that you have a good idea, but won't tell anybody what it is. You could PM anyone who's interested with a brief overview of the plot. If the idea's any good, you can tell it in a way that will pique our interests without spoiling the whole thing.

And Hatzi, seriously: Quit TRYING to be nice. Just be your self, and see what happens. We might not like you, but it sure can't be as bad as you are pretending to be friends and Happy McClambake to everyone.

Moogle1 · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:14 am Post subject:

Thank you, Giz, for maintaining a certain level of sanity here. Hatzi, does that look like it's sarcastic? It's been proven time and time again that effort does not a good game make.
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Zypher · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 22

Effort and fun games can easily go hand and hand. Look at Sword of Jade. That game took grueling effort and almost about two years to make, am I right? It was a great and fun game. I could easily make an awesome game without any effort, but it would be a total mess and fall a part.

Iâ€™m sure you donâ€™t want to play a game thatâ€™s very fun and enjoyable, without any backgrounds or good scripting, one that falls a part and looses player interest. (Magnus anyone?) Anyone can make a fun game, but it takes time, sweat, tears, and blood to make a fun game with effort. And that is what Freedom-Fighter is trying to do here. At least I think?

Gizmog1 · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 10:41 am Post subject:

They CAN go hand in hand, but it's not a dead lock. I can't tell you how many games came out, even professional ones that had allegedly been worked on for 5 years that sucked, and how many games that pop up in a span of two months, and do great. Sword of Jade bored me, so it's not the greatest example. I personally find that the 48 hours contest usually spawns two or three really good games. Look at Tarot Master's Seizure Inducer. 48 Hours, and I played it so many times that today I wear glasses.

And actually, if it were fun, I wouldn't care if it had no scripting or backdrops. You don't even need graphics to have a good time. I'd rather play a FUN game with no graphics, than the prettiest game in the world that bored the hell out of me. Good graphics that fit along with the idea can make a good game better, but there's very very few games that would suck without their graphics.

Zypher · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 22

What about Dan's games? They sucked on graphics, beyond belief (no offence Dan). But were awesome and fun, and no one bothered to play them because they weren't appealing.

Rimudora · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:00 am Post subject:

You mean Dan the Man Entertainment? According to CP, he doesn't have a single game here. And in any case, you're hardly one to judge whether or not a game is "awesome and fun".

Zypher · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 22

For one; I apologize for bringing him up and cutting him down like that. He's a really good friend of mine. For two; he left and asked IM to delete his games. And finally; I don't see how you're one to judge as well. This guy comes here asking for help, and all you did was cut his attempts down. Now can you please stop spamming this thread and wasting space with you're pettiness?

Mike Caron · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:22 am Post subject:

Gizmog1 · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:53 am Post subject:

Hatzi, almost NO ONE downloads game around here anymore. It's nothing personal against Dan. The community's DEAD. Also, as a matter of speaking, I had the misfortune of playing one of Dan's games, and it was NOT awesome.

Moogle1 · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject:

FyreWulff · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject:

Iblis · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject:

Freedom-Fighter · Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 8

First off, allow me to say that I believe a game is valued depending of effort not because of the amount of people who pour work into it, or the time it takes to make the game. I mean wholehearted effort. If a game is not fun, then it's because not enough effort was made to make it fun. That is my standing. I do not wish this to be argued on my post, it is perfectly natural for different people to have different ideas.

I don't know what history Zypher has had here with you all, but please, don't bring it here.

I AM NOT RIPPING, it is frowned upon, I don't believe it gives a satisfying result either. I am not attempting to hand over all the graphics responsibilities to others, I am in fact making all the hero and attack graphics. I just do not have time to dedicate to the rest of the game along with the composition and scripting. I am not asking anyone to dedicate him or herself to the game before they see it. It's a Sonic Fan game, and it has very good concepts behind it. I have seen previous Sonic games for both the OHR and other engines alike, and I promise this one will be nothing like those. I will not post any more information regarding the game, OR my identity due to the fact that I do not want people joining this project for biased reasons.
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