Castle Paradox

[Rya.Reisender]

There is a difference (not major, though) between challenge and frustration, but they are still growing proportionally.

But giving the player the option to choose between "challenge" and "fun gaming" will always be better than forcing the player to do "challenge" or "fun gaming". If a player wants a challenge and can't have one because the game does everything for him, it's bad. But if the player just wants to play for fun and then gets a challenge it's bad as well.
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Snippy:
"curt or sharp, esp. in a condescending way" (Oxford American Dictionary)
"fault-finding, snappish, sharp" (Concise Oxford Dictionary, UK)
1. short-tempered, snappish, 2. unduly brief or curt (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

[Calehay]

[TwinHamster]

Rya, Please get out of my thread.

I'm too dumb to make any sense out of anything you're saying.

If you want to talk about why hard games shouldn't exist, then feel free to open up a thread in the Game Design forum.

Thank you.

[Moogle1]

[The Drizzle]

Agreed. The feeling of accomplishing something after beating a game is great. Actually fearing death adds a great deal of suspense to a game. Why play a game where there is NO penalty for making mistakes? How is that fun?
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[Rya.Reisender]

[TMC]

So, what are you replacing the (hidden) instadeath traps with? If the traps are too dangerous, like doing 10 damage, they could still make the game unwinnable in many cases, especially if you keep up the current frequency and can expect to step on several.

How does the magic system work? You come across (or start with) special attacks and are given a key combinations to memorise to use them? It sounds like it might work, though I think you could also stick with uncontrollable battles if you gave the player plenty of ways to improve their odds outside of battles.

[Fenrir-Lunaris]

Couldn't Fester's Quest for the NES be considered a rogue-like game, if only for the no continues aspect? I seem to recall there were no continues, and after only 2-3 hits you had to start ALL THE WAY back from the beginning.

[The Wobbler]

[Newbie_Power]

I have been thinking of changing the Wiki page to change the definition of a Rogue-like to "a game that is based on the foundation of the original Rogue in both aesthetics and in game play elements." Do you guys agree with this?
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TheGiz> Am I the only one who likes to imagine that Elijah Wood's character in Back to the Future 2, the kid at the Wild Gunman machine in the Cafe 80's, is some future descendant of the AVGN?

[Rya.Reisender]

Roguelike is a rather free definition. On the wiki should stand whatever the majority of gamers use the term as and from my impression they usually mean "Any game where dungeons are created randomly", but it's really hard to tell.

I mean taking away all rogue aspects except randomness from a game makes it still feel more like a roguelike than if you remove the random aspect and leave the rest in it...

Only because the name still reflects that it has something to do with the game "Rogue" doesn't necessarily mean that the modern definition still has anything to do with that game (in fact most words in many languages have an origin that is far away from the modern definition).

I wouldn't touch the wiki unless I'm 100% sure how the majority of gamers understand the term.
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Snippy:
"curt or sharp, esp. in a condescending way" (Oxford American Dictionary)
"fault-finding, snappish, sharp" (Concise Oxford Dictionary, UK)
1. short-tempered, snappish, 2. unduly brief or curt (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

[Newbie_Power]

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Anyone besides Rya agree with this change before I attempt to make it? Any alterations need to be made?
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TheGiz> Am I the only one who likes to imagine that Elijah Wood's character in Back to the Future 2, the kid at the Wild Gunman machine in the Cafe 80's, is some future descendant of the AVGN?

[Rya.Reisender]

Here some input from others:

[The Drizzle]

I'd say that your definition is fine, Newb, but you should probably list all possible elements of rogue that come with being a rogue like, and emphasize the major ones.
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[Rya.Reisender]

Use the first sentence from my first quote then.
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Snippy:
"curt or sharp, esp. in a condescending way" (Oxford American Dictionary)
"fault-finding, snappish, sharp" (Concise Oxford Dictionary, UK)
1. short-tempered, snappish, 2. unduly brief or curt (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)