Castle Paradox

Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

Well if you make random encounters that can be done faster than it's something different, but then they can't be challenging either.

Newbie_Power · Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1762

Fast random encounters are challenging in bulk, with a damage over time from each battle.

But, if you absolutely want every random encounter to be an individual challenge that takes two minutes, then you better have an extremely low encounter rate, then you can increase the EXP rate.
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Rinku · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 690

It'd be interesting to see a RPG composed only of boss battles and no random battles, it'd be like the Shadow of the Colossus of RPGs.
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Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

Moogle1 · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:00 am Post subject:

You just played DD this week. You have no excuse for forgetting it so quickly.

(Edit) SotC was one of the inspirations behind DD, even though I hadn't played it yet. This happens to me a lot, where what I hear about something gives me better ideas than the thing itself.
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Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

DD is missing the hour long ride on a horse to get to the next enemy, though!

Rinku · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 690

DD isn't strictly speaking a classical RPG -- there are no towns, no dungeons except one, not much story or story focus, and it takes about half an hour to finish whereas most RPGs take dozens of hours. So what I meant was I'd like to see a longish story-focused RPG with only boss battles.
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Rinku · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 690

There's more to a RPG than battles, though. In many RPGs, most of the time is spent exploring areas, such as towns. Final Fantasy 7 or Final Fantasy 10 for example, at least half of the time is just exploring the towns and talking to people.
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Moogle1 · Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject:

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Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

I think "The Bouncer" is the closest to what Rinku described. It contains a party, cut scenes, a story, leveling up system and you only find bosses (basically).

But seriously, an RPG that only contains out of talking to people and exploring towns sounds VERY boring to me. I already always skip all the dialogues in normal RPGs because I consider them boring and just want to get to the next battles / dungeon, and if they take that away from the game there won't be a point in playing the game for me. I might as well go outside in real life and explore the city.

Also seriously, Final Fantasy 7??? That game was 90% battles for sure.

Honestly, the way "The Bouncer" did it is the only way to make such a game work out in my opinion. Only cutscenes and battles, that's cool. Advanced Variable Geo does it too, only that it is a 2D Fighting Game and the cutscenes are anime. I enjoyed both games a lot.

Edit: I was just thinking: Take city of dreams and add boss battles!

Edit2: Also I project I secretly plan on doing with Moogle1 and Onlyoneinall (they don't know about it) would fit to that description actually.

Newbie_Power · Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1762

There's a flaw in your logic Rya. The Bouncer is clearly an action game, not an RPG, and RPGs must have exploration and towns! Therefore, it can't work!
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Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

Not so sure what The Bouncer is actually. It has many RPG elements and many Fighting game elements. Actually it's best to just make a unique genre for it and they there's aren't enough games of that genre. Also aren't there quite some RPGs that don't contain exploration and towns? Especially modern ones.