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TwinHamster
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| Quote: | | For example "Sand" is still a game despite it having no goal and no challenge. It has rules though (how each element interacts with all the others) and interactive (you can place any material yourself). However, if you would play with sand in real life it isn't really a game. |
Sand is in no way a game.
And by rules, I guess you mean its "physics engine"?
This is synonymous to looking at your laundry's dry cycle and deciding to change the color of the clothes inside. |
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Calehay
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Oh, jeez. Here we go again.
| JSH357 wrote: | | I like Chris Crawford's definition of a game the best (It's similar to that Wikipedia one). I like to be a bit looser with definitions. |
Not sure if this is the one you're talking about:
| Chris Crawford wrote: | 1. Creative expression is art if made for its own beauty, and entertainment if made for money. (This is the least rigid of his definitions. Crawford acknowledges that he often chooses a creative path over conventional business wisdom, which is why he rarely produces sequels to his games.)
2. A piece of entertainment is a plaything if it is interactive. Movies and books are cited as examples of non-interactive entertainment.
3. If no goals are associated with a plaything, it is a toy. (Crawford notes that by his definition, (a) a toy can become a game element if the player makes up rules, and (b) The Sims and SimCity are toys, not games.) If it has goals, a plaything is a challenge.
4. If a challenge has no “active agent against whom you compete,†it is a puzzle; if there is one, it is a conflict. (Crawford admits that this is a subjective test. Some games with noticeably algorithmic artificial intelligence can be played as puzzles; these include the patterns used to evade ghosts in Pac-Man.)
5. Finally, if the player can only outperform the opponent, but not attack them to interfere with their performance, the conflict is a competition. (Competitions include racing and figure skating.) However, if attacks are allowed, then the conflict qualifies as a game.
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| Rya.Reisender wrote: | | I think it's somewhat stupid to sticky a definition like that. Only a large discussion about this topic can slightly reflect what a game really is (like the one I started on selectbutton). |
You mean it's stupid to post people that take the time to quote academic work in the subject in favor of Jim Bob ranting on a forum?
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Rya.Reisender
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Of course Sand is a game. >_>
It's even called "Sand Game".
Don't be so strict with definitions.
Also I never really understand what you are saying Calehay.
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Calehay
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Rya.Reisender wrote: | | HIHIBJHUIGTYDSDYTKGUILHNJKBVGFCRDYGVUIVFTYUDXERYXCFJCVTYVYTUDRDYTVFYTVGUVYTFDCTCYTVKVHJKVGYFKVGYLBUKVYTFTYVGUVYTVUKVKVBK |
TRANSLATION!
No, seriously,
| Quote: | Of course Sand is a game. >_>
It's even called "Sand Game". |
I suppose peanuts are nuts as well?
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Joe Man
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Rya, Sand is a toy. End of story. For the sake of tying things together, it's called a game. People who make games don't think it's a game.
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Rya.Reisender
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Calehay wrote: | | I suppose peanuts are nuts as well? |
The one who invented that name sure thought so!
Also you are the biggest troll on these forums. >_>
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Calehay
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Rya.Reisender wrote: | | Calehay wrote: | | I suppose peanuts are nuts as well? |
The one who invented that name sure thought so! |
Oh really?! Post your source, then.
And even then, why does it matter? Whoever did was quite wrong, as nuts are legumes.
| Quote: | | Also you are the biggest troll on these forums. >_> |
Yes, disagreeing with you is trolling, I'm sure.
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Rya.Reisender
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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You are trolling for sure.
For example this is trolling:
| Calehay wrote: | | Rya.Reisender wrote: | | HIHIBJHUIGTYDSDYTKGUILHNJKBVGFCRDYGVUIVFTYUDXERYXCFJCVTYVYTUDRDYTVFYTVGUVYTFDCTCYTVKVHJKVGYFKVGYLBUKVYTFTYVGUVYTVUKVKVBK |
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"curt or sharp, esp. in a condescending way" (Oxford American Dictionary)
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Calehay
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| Rya.Reisender wrote: | You are trolling for sure.
For example this is trolling:
| Calehay wrote: | | Rya.Reisender wrote: | | HIHIBJHUIGTYDSDYTKGUILHNJKBVGFCRDYGVUIVFTYUDXERYXCFJCVTYVYTUDRDYTVFYTVGUVYTFDCTCYTVKVHJKVGYFKVGYLBUKVYTFTYVGUVYTVUKVKVBK |
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If that were all I posted, perhaps you'd have grounds to say so.
I don't come here merely to make remarks about how ridiculous you sound, but I definitely will integrate it into my posts.
And why is it that you won't respond to the fact that there are misnomers in this world? Because you realized you have no backing to say so?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| I like that sand game. I have no problem with calling it a game. I have no problem with calling it a toy, or an activity. Much like I could care less whether you call Pluto a planet, a minor planet, a kupier-belt-object, or whatever. |
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Joe Man
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Thank you James. Lawdy, getting someone more neutral in her is pretty nice.
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Moogle1
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| James Paige wrote: | | I like that sand game. I have no problem with calling it a game. I have no problem with calling it a toy, or an activity. Much like I could care less whether you call Pluto a planet, a minor planet, a kupier-belt-object, or whatever. |
You are not nearly snooty enough for our refined philosophical debates 
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Joe Man
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While I like being snooty, I like being cynical about snootiness even more.
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Calehay
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: |
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I have no problem calling the Falling Sand Game by that name, I just don't think it classifies as a game.
However, I am still suggesting that everyone SUAMYG.
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Rya.Reisender
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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James is so cool.
The thread can be deleted now except for James's post.
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