Castle Paradox

[Shadowiii]

I assume that you have some form of judgement, JSH, and that, after reading through these five or so pages of posts, you could make a judgement by yourself as to where to draw the line.

Do you really want something completely set in stone? Because you'll probably either a. Not end up liking it or b. Find some loophole. I don't know whats up with all this teenage rebellion towards cp authority is, but I'd appreciate if you used some judgement and rationallity.

Also, if my boss saw me looking at that, I'd more then likely get in some form of trouble.
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But enough talk, have at you!

[JSH357]

Good lord, you people have no sense of humor.

[The Wobbler]

[JSH357]

I love how we can make a 6-page thread about dongs.

[Moogle1]

No joke. This is the fastest-growing thread since, like, infinity.
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Slime Salad :: Independent Game Design

[Shadowiii]

Why do these always end up with someone saying "you have no sense of humor"? We want to know what you'd like to see (hence the name of the forum), so it is our job to take what you say seriously.
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But enough talk, have at you!

[JSH357]

Not when we're arguing about ANIMATED DONGS.

[Gizmog1]

God damnit, what is the matter with you people?! Yes, we want it set in stone, how far is too far, because then we don't have a huge thread everytime someone posts a penis as a smiley, or uses non-nude porn for an avatar! So why don't you admins DO YOUR JOB, be the public servants you're supposed to be, make up a set stone list of rules, and punishments, debating amongst yourselves and the moderators over what is fairest, and then listening to the feedback you get, and ammending the rules as they need amending. Instead, you just sit there, jerking off or who the fuck knows what else, wearing it as a badge, and just letting the forum run itself, until something goes wrong, when you overcompensate. Set the rules in stone! Let people know what will happen when they break them! Look at all the details of the case, talk to the person about what happened, and punish them if they deserve it! And if the person is reasonable and rational in appealing his case, and has some kind of excuse, and his crime wasn't too heinous, there's no problem in letting someone off the hook everyonce in awhile. But instead, no! There's no attempts at making any standards, no attempts at telling anyone what you expect, you just punish someone when they're "too stupid" or "Are posting in the wrong forums" "Reviving Dead Posts" when you've never told them not to! How hard is it to go to the Shhhh.... forum, and start accepting proposals for rules. We'll go one rule at a time, most important rules first, and then hammer out the exact wording of the rule, and then debate until we agree to the most logical punishment for the first offense, and some pattern of increased punishments for worse offenses. If you'd do this NOW, or had done it FIRST, you could easily sit back and watch, because the forums would pretty much run themselves! The members themselves, not the administration, would be able to warn newbies, and would be able to tell them how to do things. People who didn't follow the example set would be shot, criticized, and eventually banned when they crossed the line. We just need debate, and to maintain an open line of communication with the community, to make sure that the rules don't stray too far from the people who will be obeying them.

[Moogle1]

LOL DRAMA

Actually, this is the civillest debate CP's seen in a long time, so at least everyone who forgot to check the forums today won't wake up to seven pages of flames.

As far as rules go -- I don't think Giz was referring to this, but the last thing we want to do is say, "You can show exactly this much breast and that much dong." There needs to be a rule instead of an implied rule, I think everyone can agree, but in general people have a good sense of judgment. Let them use it and deal with the morons on an individual basis.
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Slime Salad :: Independent Game Design

[Fenrir-Lunaris]

...or, you can refer to this, which got Inferior Minion's seal of approval.

CASTLE PARADOX'S unOFFICIAL RULES AND REGULATIONS

[Shadowiii]

With regard to making rules, it is very difficult to know who exactly to work with. IM is rarely on, and we really need it to go by him. CN is on infrequently, and Uncy doesn't post on Hush Hush anymore. That leaves me, Machu, Setu, and Fenrir, which (in my opinion) is generally one-sided.

I'd love to make a set of rules. Hell, it wouldn't even be to hard, I could just steal some other forum's. The thing is everyone seems to be set on "running it by IM" all the time, and his visits are very infrequent (besides the occasional april fools jokes).

It is also very diffucult to put touchy subjects such as "where is the limit" in stone. The reasons are 1. as stated, it is a touchy subject, with many different opinions about it. We cant just say "porn" because someone will bend the rules saying they aren't aroused or some such. Which leads to 2. you gusy haven't been all that reasonable or conforming with whatever rules or suggestions we put up. I'd rather not live in a dictatorship, strict, run-by-the-rules type community as it is irritating and I (used) to have belief in rational human judgement with regard to a current situation.

So, I have a question. If we, the admins/mods/etc, do indeed write a set of rules as a group, "set them in stone", and clearly post them on the main forums (and enforce them in accordance to stated rules), will you conform? I really have little modivation, as what admins ahve been suggesting has genearlly been questioned beyond the point of reason, and when one attempts to enforce it they are disregarded and/or ignored. There really isn't much modivation in that, you know? You could at least try to see it from our point of view.

With regard to this whole "inappropriate/non-worksafe" thing, I'll say what I want. Unfortunatly, I can't get a group of admins together at the drop of a hat, but I'll tell you what myself, set in stone, thinks.

(comment: dammit, you just cant' take "work safe" can you? this is very difficult)
1. Any showing of the "private parts" in image form, either comical or realisticily, is forbidden for direct image viewing. If it is linked too, it must have a decently discriptive warning as to what the viewer is being linked too.
2. In females: A revealing top, including bikini, bra, very low cut shirt, etc is not allowed. On the bottom, no thongs. Also, if one character only has panties/etc, the lowest they must fall is an inch below the belly-button. If a girl is in said panties, etc they must have sufficiant garments on top as well as on the legs (see Meteor) to cover it.
Edit: Transparent tops or bottoms are not allowed whatsoever (damn loopholes)
3. In males: Sufficiant amount of pants to not overly "show" said image's "package". Decent leg covering (top of knees or lower). With regard to cut below belly-button, same as female.
4. Clothed images in an overly erotic/sexual posture will not be tolerated. While it is fine for this girl to appear say "cute" or "hot" (that is, winking, bending over, etc), erotic poses (close upskirt, panty shots, etc.) are forbidden.
5. If you DO wish to use an image that contains one or more of the above rules, you should apply the following.
i) Make sure it is appropriate to the thread. If it is off topic, not in an appropriate forum, or anything of that sort, do not post it.
ii) It MUST be linked too, with a sufficiant warning as to what the user is going to. "A hot girl" as a description is not good enough.
6. These rules are also applyable in usergroups, unless the moderator of the group said otherwise (in thsi instance, group moderators take precidence over admins)

Is that good enough? I tried to be specific as possible. Is this what you want, or ar eyou looking for something else?

And there is no need to yell, I'm doing my best to help you. Also, thread revivers, etc. are not "punished", they are usually just told that they are breaking a rule.

As a side note, what is your take on people who deliberatly break unspoken rules just to see what happens? Isn't that a little immature? As stated before, I really don't think we need set-in-stone rules for every little bit, because normal human judgement SHOULD be sufficiant enough.

Again, give me feedback. Also, if you want result, you should probably give, you know, GOOD feedback instead of "lol u take everything too seriously".

Edit: I really, really like Moogle1's post. Yes, we need a set of laws with regard to main topics, but we really shouldn't make a new rule over every little thing that comes up.
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But enough talk, have at you!

[Machu]

I don't take highly to evil clowns that break rules just to see what happens. Why didn't you just... ask? Giz, you already made what was perhaps the most helpful post in a while in the announcements forum, that one about asking for help. Why didn't you, or JSH, or PHC have done another demanding concrete rules NOW?
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[Chaos Nyte]

They have in the past, Machu.

And Shadowiii, I'm on CP a lot, but IM stripped away all powers regarding bans/deleting posts, etc.

[Gizmog1]

I've posted about 6 different times requesting rules, but they get ignored. One was even allegedly linked to on the Hush Hush forum, which was an LJ entry regarding it. I say, to hell with IM, and the actual Admins who are around make the rules. Same to Cubie, and Orchy, and Misteroo, and the rest of the admins who don't pay any attention the forums. We establish the rules with who's paying attention, and anyone who isn't looking had better learn to like them, or debate them and get them changed later. Reading Fenrir's rules now, and expect my objections, agreements, and a new proposal as soon as I'm done rereading this latest edition of the "Shut Giz Up" digest.

EDIT: I think I can MOSTLY accept Shadow's rules, except I don't understand the difference between a swimsuit bottom and panties. Secondly, I feel that the including of a rule regarding quote: "If a girl is in said panties, etc they must have sufficiant garments on top as well as on the legs (see Meteor) to cover it." Am I to understand, that all girls are to be wearing socks/boots that cover the entirety of their legs like Meteor, and that kneecaps are not allowed to be shown? Or is this like at school "Your dress must come down to not one inch above your kneecaps". If you're saying legs aren't allowed at all, then you're a mad man who must be stopped, but if you're merely referring to the length of her skirt, I can abide by that.

[Machu]

I was not an admin until recently, so I'm not to blame. I would like to help with this "rules session" though.

Tomorrow though. My blood hurts.
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