Castle Paradox

[bis_senchi]

Hello!

I'm now working on the save menu of my saiyuki game. The menu is like a diary and when I save I give a page and the name of the chapter in which the player is actually

E.g Page 2 Chapter 3

There's 4 save slots

so you see

page
chapter
BLANK
page
chapter
BLANK
page
chapter
BLANK
page
chapter

To make things easier for the player I've included blank item

My problem is the following : when the menu is opened the player has to press the down arrow for nothing (as it on an invisible space)

I would like to make blank items skipped. Could somoene help me to do that?

I think it would be a good idea to create a bitset which can make skipped automatically unused items.

The blank invisible items can be used to improve menu presentation.

If the solution involves plotscpriting : what commands should I use?

As always thanks for your help!
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[mswguest]

Hi Bis! I'm pretty sure the request to have the cursor skip certain spots on menues is already on Bugzilla, and I KNOW I've asked James about it before, and he agreed that it'd be a worthwhile addition. This is probably possible right now using a VERY advanced scripted system, but I would say it isn't worth it (like, hundreds of lines of code and having to draw possible text in the menu as NPCs). For right now, I'd recommend putting a dash or something in place of the blank spot, so at least the player can see that their cursor is on that spot instead of having it look like the cursor disappears.

[TMC]

The lack of an "unselectable" bit jumped out at me the first time I tried the menu system. Ever since then it's driven me crazy! I don't know why James or I still haven't fixed it (well... it was pretty awkward to add, for some reason I forget). It's about time! I'll add it.

[bis_senchi]

The creation of a bitset have been asked. That's a good thing to know.

[ShakeyAir]

I would think if this is a longer project, the issue will be fixed by the time anyone besides a playtester plays it.

However, it seems like it would be better for:

Page 3
Chapter 7

to appear selected all at once, unless the options do different things?

This wouldn't be awfully difficult, depending on how you wanted to make it look, and would be worth scripting because I doubt "double high menu item" will become a feature anytime soon.

[TMC]

Oh I completely forgot about this. It isn't going to be in Zenzizenic, but hopefully I'll remember to add it in the next week or two.

[bis_senchi]

Hello again! I sill have some troubles with my save menu

My problem is the following,

I need to use two menu items

-> one for the page number
-> a second one for the chapter's name

The trouble starts when I implement save slots. I would like to have four of them

That would lead to 8 lines

page
chapter

page
chapter

page
chapter

page
chapter

If I don't let space it makes a ugly block of text, so I used blank item menus.

But when I test I need to press the down arrow even to go though the blank (and invisible) item menu. I also need to skip the line chapter sorry for not telling that earlier.

I think what would suit best would using the no player control bitest
and combining it with other plotscripting commands.

I'll use select menu item to move cursor through out plotscripting

select menu item(menu item handle) which allows the menu cursor to move with plotscripting.

But I would also need to command that returns the item menu selection so that I can store it (in a variable or a global variable) and move the cursor to a pre-registered location .

I've found "selected menu item(menu handle)" but I'm not sure if it the right one. I does not start by get and it doesn't seem to have enough argument for storing Could somoene confirm it the command I need?

[bis_senchi]

I've made several tests and it appears that the problem is due to the fact that I don't manage to store a menu item ID in a variable.

What is the equivalent of find menu (ID) for item menu ?


Let's say that I would like to activate the bitset "hide if disabled" of the item menu nb1 of my menu 3. How am I supposed to do?

[Bob the Hamster]

I think the "menu item by slot" command will do what you want.

[bis_senchi]

Trying menu item by solt seems to be a good idea but how do I store the information in a variable?

I would like to change the bitset and to do that I need a variable in which is stored my menu item ref (just like I did for the menu)

[Bob the Hamster]

There are two kinds of handles for menus. A menu handle is for the whole menu. A menu item handle is for just one menu item in a menu.

[bis_senchi]

I've tried to use to modify the script and to use what you've suggested it worked! The only thing is that the menu has to opened

I have another problem with menu items.

The new version of my save menu is made this way

Slot1
unused
*data info slot1
Slot2
unused
*data info slot2
Slot3
unused
*data info slot3
Slot4
unused
*data info slot4

I didn't want the player to see "place 0 hour 0 min" so I activated under custom the bitset "hide if disabled"

What I would like to do is the following : when a save have been made the tag is activated.

The menu opens and the line unused disappears. (The bitset hide is activated)

The line with the slot data appears : the bitset "hide is disabled" which was previously active became unactive.

[bis_senchi]

Any help is welcomed! Does somoene know the answer to the question?
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[mswguest]

I don't know how custom counts those slots, but I do know that the developers had been discussing the possibility that there is a bug with these things. My first recommendation would be to switch the order of your bitset changing. That way, you 'fix' slot 2 before getting rid of slot 1. I have no idea if this will solve the problem, though.

[Bob the Hamster]

There are some menu-related bugs in Zenzizenzic that were only recently fixed in the nightly builds.

Also, tmc is working on some menu improvements that will allow skippable disabled menu items as a built-in feature