Castle Paradox

Machu · Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:07 pm Post subject: Political comics?

http://machu.0catch.com/passion.html

Yeah, it's about The Passion of the Christ. The moral is that not even Jesus's exposed ribs can change a fundamentalist.
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LeRoy_Leo · Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:42 am Post subject:

Undeniable proof that the media is trying to take over religion (telethons?) and thus take over our culture! What?!?!

REPENT! REPENT! (for the future, may this serve as a warning...) Big grin

You made a pretty good point though.
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Setu_Firestorm · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:08 am Post subject:

I, too, heard some really whacked out things from people about their impression of the movie. I personally sat there jaw-dropped through the entire thing. And I also believe that it's about time someone told the story in the precise and accurate detail, `cause all the sugarcoated versions of it really took away from the knowledge of what He really did go through for us.
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Shadowiii · **It's been real.** Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 2460

Harumph. I disliked that movie, because it didn't focus on what was important about the atonement-->crucifixion--->resurrection. It rather decided to show the story as gory and bloody as possible. Plus, it only touched on the two parts I felt were most important...the atonement (allowing man to repent and be clean of sins) and the resurrection (that man can live again). The crucifixion was, obviously, a very imporant part, but the fact that the film focused more on shocking the hell out of you instead of showing Christ's sacrafice was....unappealing.

As my friend said, "Yeah, I watched it. And I felt like shit when I came out."
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Machu · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:37 am Post subject:

That's why I said the movie was open to interpretation (though church people waiting just outside don't, though). Though the movie doesn't say it all, many people attach that Jesus was some sort of primitive sacrifice and was supposed to die so they can get into heaven with just one prayer. I honestly would like to know the reasoning behind this (Y'know, "The best man ever and God's son died a horrible death, so now we don't have to try anymore!"). This stuff made it sound like Jesus's actual life was meaningless, and he should have killed himself earlier so another generation of "Christians" can cheat into heaven, since they don't need to actually follow his teachings. As a "Heroist-Christian", I rely greatly on Jesus Christs teachings on how to be good because he was indeed the wisest man ever and also the last person to cause miracles. I believe the movie is called "Passion" because Jesus didn't force his views on anyone, even as they eventually killed him. He could have zapped the romans dead, but that'd make him a dictator-God type person, and any anarchist can tell you whats wrong with that.

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Shadowiii · **It's been real.** Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 2460

Exactly.

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Shadowiii · **It's been real.** Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 2460

So be it. I'm not going to try to convince you, because I think both of us have already stated our opinions on the matter (with evidence to back it up Raspberry!

), and since the last thing I want is an argument, I'll just leave our positions as they stand for both of us to consider.

Plus, this isn't a Philosophy board. Oookay...

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The Drizzle · **Who is the Drizzle?** Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 432

Wow, deep stuff shadowiii. As shadowiii points out, even though it says "whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life", there are many verses that say you must have more than just faith.

It's interesting to note, though, that religious fanatics, christians, and atheists might use bibilical rhetoric for their own uses. Unless you read the bible on your own, consider yourself uninformed. (No, I'm not talking about shadowiii, it looks like he knows what he's talking about.) It's much like how Hamas tells people that suicide is okay if it kills infidels, citing an instance from the Koran where claiming infidels are bad, completely neglecting that it says explicitly in the Koran that suicide is one of the highest sins.

True, though, the Bible is based on people's opinions, as is every work of art/literature. But the Bible is also the most important. It's such a touchy subject for just that reason.

By the way, I saw the passion, and I've never seen a more moving picture in my life. (And I go to film school, I've seen a ton. They make us.) A lot of people in the theater were nauseous and crying. It was amazing that just a movie could have that effect on people. So even if you're not Christian, I suggest you watch it, it's pretty interesting. (And I found no anti-semitism in it, but hey, if you're expecting to see something that much, you're bound to see it)
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Machu · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:38 pm Post subject:

Thanks, Shadow Eyes, for helping me out here. I forgot about whole apostles thing (are they the last? Either way, still granting supernatural evidence to humanity means that God is still teaching, thus Jesus had unfinished business, right? Or correct me). Of course I have faith in Jesus; I believe he was perfect and I follow his teachings. All of the speech against "works alone" appears to be references to the religious ceremonies at the time (Pharisees, or however it's spelled, were commonly used as examples of bad religion, and ironically, some modern churches seem like Pharisees.) You can't get into heaven by going to church every Sunday or giving a lot of offerings. Also, it's impossible to get into heaven without faith in Jesus's teachings; since he's the definition of perfection, a perfect person would be one who follows his teachings.

Time to bust out some Serious Jesus! (I've been waiting for Eggie to change his avatar so I could use this)
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LeRoy_Leo · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject:

Silly people. You need the faith in heaven to go to heaven. The afterliefe has been prooven to exist. The place you go is what ever you want it to be. If you liked torture and pain (wierd) then you go to hell. If you like pleasure and love, then you go to heaven Big grin

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Jesus is either still out guiding people with mirracles and such or has reincarnated (believe it or not) Several times. No I am not crazy.

I thought this was a political cartoon... Or maybe religion has played a huge part in politics. Morals and such. Good or bad, what ever decission you make is the right one. Happy

Don't hit me...
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Machu · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject:

I'm not going to hit you, I'm going to let Serious Jesus let loose with his minigun. His... JESUS MINIGUN!

: Subjective morality; what were you thinking?

Seriously now, afterlife isn't "what I want it to be". If that were the case, then the people who believe this should commit suicide right now since their life is meaningless.

: I concur.

Wow, two impersonations in one post!
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