Castle Paradox

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[Bob the Hamster]

[msw188]

Absolutely, Louis Pasteur is number 12! He was my "chief man in scientific discovery that influenced people's lives" hint. Darwin is in the top 20 or 30, I don't have the book on my at present. He was my "very famous and controversial" hint. Mendel is some ways further down I'm pretty sure, but he is on there.

Two of the big theoretical physicists we are missing are pretty related and both contributed heavily to one main set of ideas. One of them is generally considered to be the greatest theoretical physicist who lived between Newton and Einstein.

When I grab the book again, I'll note some of my own personal surprises - people I either was unfamiliar with, or would not have put on my own list. One such I'll mention right away was an unfamiliar name to me - Gregory Pincus. This is the man chiefly responsible for the oral contraceptive pill, and although it's fairly recent compared to most of the other major inventions honored on the list, it's fair to say that it has had and will continue to have a vast influence on the lifestyles of many, many people. Granted, if I remember right he's pretty low on the list, in the 80s or 90s I think; I'll get the exact number when I grab the book.
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[Bagne]

Re scientists:
The single most influential scientist - you mean other than Newton?
How about Leibnitz, who also invented calculus?
Here are some other guesses.
Haber for his enormous impact on agriculture (and the environment). Apparently we fix nitrogen at twice the natural global rate. This is kinda scary.

I'd put a quantum physicist (or three) in there. We use quantum all the time for material science in the construction of the transistors that form our internets.
Planck, Bohr, Schrodinger, Einstein - all of them made contributions to quantum (Einstein less so).

The controversial guy - well, Darwin is more controversial than he deserves. Are you referring to him?

I'd also toss in Watson, Crick and/or Franklin for their work on DNA.
Our understanding of DNA has changed many farming practices - we eat GMOs all the time now.

Um - Turing.
Maybe Maxwell?

Maybe someone related to oil technology ... the internal combustion engine? Um, oil refinement?

I'll reply to your other stuff when I get time.
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[Bagne]

Breaking from the scientists - is Bach in there?
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[msw188]

Hey Bagne, we must have been replying at the same time. You can probably see that some of your questions were answered. As to the others...

Bach is included, but is pretty far down. The arts don't get a lot of representation here, which is probably as it should be. There is one other composer and two or three visual artists that I can remember off the top of my head, but that's about it. None of them is in the top 30.

When I gave my hint for Pasteur, I meant that the germ theory of disease was the most influential finding for people's lives, not that Pasteur himself was more influential than either Newton or Einstein. There were a lot of people, I believe, who contributed to our understanding of germs causing disease, and thus the concept of a vaccination, and Pasteur is probably the chief among those who were involved.

Leibnitz is not on the list; I think he's an honorable mention. It's tough for him when his work was largely dispensible, despite the fact that we have adopted much of his notation.

I am not familiar with Haber, he might have been an honorable mention.

Planck, Bohr, and Schrodinger are all included, although Bohr is #100. I don't remember where the others fall, but I'm pretty sure Heisenberg is actually the highest of all the Quantum fellows.

I can't remember if any of the DNA folks are on there, and I'm not familiar enough with the history of those findings to comment further.

And yes, Maxwell was the other theoretical physicist I was referring to! Closely associated with him is Faraday. My hint was meant to point to electricity as being something we all use every day.

As for the engine, I'm sure that someone involved was on there. Otto? I'll have to reply again tomorrow with the book in hand. In the meantime, we've covered a lot of the scientists, although there are still some very famous ones missing. There aren't many artists, but we hit Bach. Others? There are a small handful of philosophers further on the list as well - some who have done more than just philosophy (Aristotle) are higher up, while others are further down.
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[Bagne]

Heisenburg! Shoot.
Oh - Descartes should be on there, moreso for his math than philosophy.

Mozart's probably the other composer on there... unfortunately. Ugh.
Maybe an early jazz or rock musician.

Kepler. He was one of the first to try and use mathematics for physical prediction.
And a thermodynamics fellow. Calvin, maybe?

I really don't know what I'd say for visual artists. Ug-ug the cave-man springs to mind. Was Leonardo actually influential, or just famous?
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[Bob the Hamster]

[jabbercat]

This might be slightly off-topic, but I would like to suggest that you count Bach as a scientist. Hardly anywhere in music will you see anything with such a perfect design. His use of ratios, proportions, and numerical symmetry/games forms together a startlingly innovative topology - I mean, the man wrote a fugue in the form of a fractal! In the C.18th!
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[Shadowiii]

John Lennon.
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[Bagne]

How about Carnot?
Like ... someone who was into the thermodynamic theory that led to refrigeration.
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[msw188]

Okay, I'll post the placings of some of those mentioned that I wasn't certain about before:

17. C Darwin - convincing arguments for evolution
21. G Khan - Mongol conquests on a scale unthinkable without him
28. M Faraday - Electricity, introduced idea of fields
29. J Maxwell - Discovered equations governing Elec and Mag fields
33. Alexander the Great - VAST conquerings for Greece
34. Napoleon - Aside from conquests, also established Code of laws and arranged the Louisiana Purchase
43. W Heisenberg - Uncertainty principal underlying quantum mechanics
50. Pope Urban II - Crusades
54. M Planck - More quantum mechanics
59. G Mendel - Genetics
61. N Otto - Four chamber internal combustion engine needed for efficient vehicles
64. R Descartes - Rational approach to influence scientists, coordinate plane in mathematics
74. JS Bach - Masterful composer, maybe most scientific artist ever
81. G Pincus - Oral contraceptive pill
97. J Kepler - Laws of celestial mechanics, although he could not explain them
100. N Bohr - Quantization of energy levels in atom

Mozart and Schrodinger were both honorable mentions - I'm a little surprised Schrodinger was not on.

And as much as I love the Beatles, I'm guessing Shadowiii was joking.

PS: I'm also glad that Mozart was not the other composer. So who was it?
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[Bob the Hamster]

[Bagne]

Ok, two guesses.
Beethoven or Stravinsky.

Haydn would be my third guess.

No Turing?
Okay ... then Babbage ...
There's gotta be *someone* in there that has to do with computers!!!
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