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Moogle1 · Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject:

Okay... things like that have been tried and are probably still around (PSTUTOR and NPC_TAG are the easiest examples, if not the best). Welcome.RPG will be another source for excellent graphics. To that I am not so opposed.

However, "chipsets" is a RM2K term and when I think RM2K I think ripped graphics. I guess this isn't really true in a lot of cases and the OHRRPGCE could stand to have some original free graphics, but the risk you take is spawning a new generation of newbie games that look exactly alike (which has been predicted with the advent of Welcome).

Several of my criticisms for ripped graphics still stand for pubdom graphic sets, though, and I continue to favor graphics created by a game's author for those reasons.
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Fenrir-Lunaris · **WUT** Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747

As the creator of a widely known game that ripped graphics, I have to weigh in on this.

Part of the reason I'm making Welcome/Vikings is to give back to the RPG making community something I took - specifically the afforementioned ripping graphics. This evens the score. However that turns out, and however future OHR newbie games end up is a question I will not now discuss, and is better said after we see our first newbie games using Welcome's graphics. I would hope at least that new users attempt some things I've not tried with them, or perhaps even become inspired and attempt to make their own graphics. Whether this is the case or not, I hope they'll at least gain some experience in working with the OHR, and perhaps be much better off than most of us first were (only having a few examples to work by).

At the very least, I imagine they'll be well used. On the other hand, we'll inevitably see the following screenshot whenever a newbie tries to make their own graphics:

And with this, we've now come full circle.

Artimus Bena · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject:

As long as there's anyone with any brains around, newbies won't be able to release a midgard clone without serious backlash. In which case, I'll be fine.

A large library will certainly be helpful for newbies who haven't proven themselves and simply aren't going to get pros to work with them just yet. Even if stuff in the library isn't great quality or at least functional, is extremely helpful, and I'll bet the average newbie will get much further into ohr than the average newbie now, increasing our chances of seeing great games from them in the future.

When it comes to midgard, though, I thinking I'll only allow a limited free licence for the music. No permission or payment required, but the songs definitely can't be edited or changed. I've also considered, for the newbie's best interest, only PD-ing half of them or so. There is a possibility that if we give people a wealth of stuff, there'll be less motivation to team up with others or to get better. Another problem I've been thinking about, is an eventual full-game version with plotscripting. If it's going to eventually be a full length, standalone game, PDing every element of the game may come into serious reconsideration.
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Onlyoneinall · **Bug finder** Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 746

I could submit graphics from my Eight Granasties game (provided we do a resource thing), ones that could be used generally (and maybe some with alterations to make it more general). At least then there will be some use for it.
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Moogle1 · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject:

Bena, you can't be serious. We've seen newbies do it with Wandering Hamster, Super Mario Bros, and even NPC_TAG. They'll do it with Welcome.

People aren't going to care how you license your music, either, so get a lawyer, withdraw your tracks, or live with it. This was kind of the point, anyway. It's not like original music has ever been a priority historically in the community, but at least it's not Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy music they'll be using.
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Artimus Bena · Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject:

I suppose you're right. It's not like I'll be using the music for anything else.
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FyreWulff · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject:

I remember a game, might have involved a moose, where they took graphics from Sword of Jade.

The Royal-graphics version from 1999.

PlayerOne · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 143 Location: UK

OHR doesn't really use easily-importable formats. Only the tiles come in complete sheets. It is fairly easy with the 3rd party ohrgfx tool, but that's not raelly going to help the average new user. I think the import functions would need to be more comprehensive to support a resource library. Either that or put them all in ohrrpgce.new.

I don't think it's a bad idea, though.

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Newbie_Power · Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1762

I think Sprite Sheets should not be fully defined characters or weapons. They just need to be basic outlines for people to build upon them.

Battleblaze · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject:

I think w ehsould have a resource place for the n00bs just to get them off their feet so they worry about making a decent made game more than anything. Just not of established charecters like Mario etc. Just the fighter,wizard etc graphics that are generic.
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TwinHamster · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject:

Newbie_Power · Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1762

Which is why I only 100% support making outline templates. Have this non-detailed outline of a walkabout body, hero body. Don't put anything on this outline. Not even fill it in with color.

Let people learn pixeling from that. The only thing that will be the same will be the general proportions that come from the template, but people can draw hair and clothing however they want, etc...

hireintelligence · Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 50 Location: NSW, Australia

I feel that Newbie_Power has the right idea with outlines. Hero outlines could have a little bit more detail though, because they are harder (at least for me).

I don't think it would be bad to have maptiles on offer as basic things like just floor and walls, it could look pretty bad when someone has their first try at making original graphics but at least this would give them something to build off and they wouldn't just be disheartened and give up making their game(s) (as I seem to have done).

If some sort of resources stockpile/bonanza were to be put on offer I would contribute, or at least try to.